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James R. Martin's avatar

Reading this now many days later, I realized I did not make my thinking especially clear in this brief article. And part of the reason for this is that my thinking here was not fully developed--more incipient than developed.

Then, and now, I had/have a problem with the very notion of affluence as some sort of simple calculation ... and technology as something readily quantified or characterized. That is, I'm looking at these two from within an eco-cultural ethos. I'm capable of looking at these the way an economist or a systems scientist without such an ethos would understand these. But there is an ethic, an ethics, in my lens on these topics. I'm trying here to reveal a perspective in which technology is not a set and established entity -- and nor is affluence. And these two are bound together complexly, as concepts.

Affluence is related to prosperity, as a concept. And it is my view is that the 'normal' way of thinking of economists and systems scientists not working within an eco-cultural ethical framework (ethos) appears highly distorted to those attempting to make sense from within such an ethos.

Even the idea of wealth looks very differently from within an informed eco-cultural ethos. You see, there's nothing at all wrong or errant about pursuing genuine prosperity and wealth within nature's own pattern. It's a good thing! And once we understand this in our hearts, so to speak, the mechanical and formulaic calculations are seen in a very different light. From the perspective of the eco-cultural ethos I speak from within, negative externalities are a violation of sound sense so severe, so totally irrational, that knowing this must be the light in which we look at the IPAT formula. The IPAT formula lacks an ethos at its heart, because it really doesn't understand either affluence or technology. It reduces these to simple conceptual objects. They are not.

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Mary Wildfire's avatar

I've never liked IPAT because I didn't see the point of naming affluence and technology as factors in per capita impact. It seems to me it IS appropriate to say that the impact of humanity and the economy is population X per capita impact--and per capita impact is influenced by affluence level and technology, among other things. The other problem is that you can come up with an average per capita impact but it varies greatly, with some having thousands of times the impact of others.

On externalizing, I think it's wrong that internalizing costs would reduce the profitability of business. I think in most or maybe all cases it would completely eliminate any profit. Wasn't there a study that said so?

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